Napisano od brianwl, 02.08.2022 at 21:45
That has not been proven at all, I would like the idea that there is a fundamental minimum length and time that cannot be divided further but that's contrary to what science has thus far proven and to basic intuition....
You used the word 'proven' which is problematic in science. Proofs can be used in math and legal fields, but science is evidence based. (i.e. nothing can be "proven" in science.)
1. Nothing in science is 'proven' until all possible observations have been made.
2. Not all possible observations have been made.
3. Therefore, general accepted principle in science is nothing can be proven.
4. You claim "that's contrary to what science has thus far proven".
3 and 4 are incompatible.
Have you ever contemplated the definition of a troll?
I'll reconsider if you can show any evidence to the contrary, but after a brief search, i can confirm every attempt at finding a length less than a planck length has failed... if you know something scientists don't, let it be published!
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Brian, between you and me (and everyone), no this is
not a troll post. But I'm glad that there is some activity usually no one even reads the first sentence. I wrote this all down in a stream of consciousness after I was talking to someone in discord the other day. I have no expectation of being taken seriously, I just would rather post my thoughts on here rather than a notepad no one will ever read.
With a completely sober review of my understanding of the matter vs yours, I still side with myself simply because there is not sufficient reason to believe (in my eyes) that the Planck length is the smallest possible length (or any other Planck unit). Instead, the notion seems to be to be the byproduct of the much more common understanding that the Planck length is the smallest possible unit that is 1. useful to humans and 2. able to be investigated by humans.
Interestingly, here seems to be the science behind the notion of the Planck length:
1. It is not empirically derived or verified by experiments.
2. According to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, it is meaningless to try to distinguish two points apart at the scale beyond the Planck length
3. If we try to investigate any distance smaller than one Planck length (i.e., sending photon through it), a black hole would form due to the energy of the photon and the limitedness of the space we try to confine the photon in. The relative measurements would be so extreme at that scale that it would form a black hole, in theory.
All from this. Doesn't seem like a highly sophisticated paper but it contains a sufficient review of the literature (cntrl + F https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=LitRC&u=googlescholar&id=GALE|A642619938&v=2.1&it=r&sid=googleScholar&asid=e2abb2f0)
If space-time was treated as flat at the scale of the Planck length, then that would imply that there is clearly the other side of this triangle has a value lower than 1 Planck in length. Space-time, however, at this level is not treated as flat. Instead, it's fuzzy zone of quantum mechanical gobbidy goo that nobody understands. It is simply not useful to humans to investigate a smaller possible length and the Planck length coincides with a number of limits to the ability for humans to investigate any further. Of course, intuitively it seems that when contemplating quantum mechanics, it still seem as though there is no
real limit to the smallest length, but is instead an asymptote with a few investigative limits.
Instead of asserting that the Planck length is not the smallest possible length, I should instead assert that no one on Earth knows (but it is probably the case that she ain't the smallest). Instead, we know that the Planck length is useful to treat as a base unit. And because we simply do not know, and because the possibility fits so well with my other bullet points, I've decided to include it simply as an observation. Again, the original post was a stream of consciousness where I just list a series of observations that seem to bother me. I think it's important to be cognizant of these really profound philosophical questions, and the implications of one being the case over the other, in our everyday lives. Mankind is still so early in its existence and I'm so excited to see where this century takes us in terms of addressing some of these super basic questions. I like to try and question these frameworks because, in all likelihood Brian, the frameworks that we've established thus far are wrong. Mankind has only been truly cognizant about the stars and the physics around us for a
few hundred years. Every year that goes by is one year before the next million or more (assuming no self-annihilation inter alia).