Republic of Rome
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game
gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families
Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.
Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.
Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.
Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power
Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.
Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…
Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.
Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.
Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.
At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.
Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.
At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.
Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.
Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.
Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out
Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game
gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families
Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.
Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.
Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.
Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power
Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.
Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…
Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.
Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.
Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.
At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.
Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.
At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.
Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.
Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.
Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out
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Consul Vote: 2)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 ) Censor Vote: 2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix) Praetor Vote: 2)Felix Cornelius (Godfather ) Governorship of Sicily: 1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia 2)Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) First Gallic War: 3. Nay Second Illyrian War: 1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) promising to resign in favor of Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) New Legions: 3. 7 Legions Force Deployments: 1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies) Trial of Tunder: Innocent
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Consul Vote 1)Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Opiter Caelius (Safari) Censor Vote 2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix) Praetor Vote 1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius) Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse) 1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse) 1)Gaius Marcus (Ghost) Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with? 1) Consul Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War? 3)Gaius Marcus (Ghost) [Ripam Alexandriae] Vote upon levying of new legions/fleet 3)7 Legions Force deployments 1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies) Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero) 2) Guilty Ship Building Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)
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It's a shame that your brother was the better man. You have tainted the name of your family with blood for it was I who attempted to save rome from those conspirators that so urgently call for my persecution. You know fully well that my persecution is politically motivated and I do remind you that if I were to meet a bad faith; the balance of power would be broken. No longer Will the factions enjoy a neutral person to which go to in times of crisis. Sertorius Scurra is implicating me with false charges. Two long years have pass since I donated to elect phoenicus the defender of Rome. You and others voted for Phoenicus, including Sertorius Scurra himself. Persecuting me for something such as this is Obviously politically motivated.
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How many shekels did the Phoenicians give you to speak I'll of he who saved rome? Perhaps you do it for free since you are bad hearted as result of your withdrawal from the Macedonian front. You and your faction will not be allowed to take Rome by Force.
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If I am persecuted who to you think they will go for next? I am the only true neutral member of the Senate. Obviously the factions will come to blows and If that happens do remember that populares own 3 out of 5 veteran legions (1 of them is mine)
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Not only Rome will be broke next turn, but Populares will be able to field an army worth 27 legions where rome will be left with 5 and a empty treasury to build up.
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I never withdrew from the Macedonian front, considering I never even lead it. My fight was against the Illyrians, and I returned my legions to Rome when that fight ended in victory. I never cowered from any Macedonians, and if you wish me to 'll gladly take command of the Macedonian front, despite my respect for the Hellenic people. Now that Illyria has attacked again, I will finish my job. And I was actually the one to do it, unlike you, who capitalised on Papus' military genius to make himself look like a hero, despite being a politician absolutely incompetent in military matters. You are not "he who saved Rome" as you claim to be, that honor belongs to Papus and the brave men of Invicta that led the vanguard in the assault against Lilybaeum while you were feasting back in the camp. In case you haven't noticed I'm not even part of a faction and did not vote Marius for Consul, and I do not intend to take Rome by force, though that'd still be better and more honorable than conquering it through scheming. It is hilarious how you did not adress any of the arguments I raised against you and only attempted to discredit me with false accusations. An incompetent schemer should not insult the military skills of he who provided him with what he needed most in his battle.
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Feel like total outsider this game  Now i understand independent politicians in US Congress.
---- If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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Feel free to point out any other democracy in the world that does not have that problem
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You can't blame me for being a good man, properly mixing water and wine, giving offerings to the gods and moving men's hearts with promises of gold. You demand that i should charge at Carthage like a savage, but let me remind you that we are not in Gauls and Rome is civilized. Perhaps in some barbarian country you and Papus could enforce their will with the sword, but let me remind you that in Rome we aren't subjects to he who has more strength and a larger fellowship. The life of a thinker like me -for I deceived the plan that defeated Carthage- is worth more than that of a simpleton soldier who would much rather charge at Carthage like a barbarian, if you don't like the republic you are free to leave and join a mercenary band in the east or Africa if you wish to earn shekels instead.
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I am independent.
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You claim that I am the one who simply charges into the enemy, yet it was you who decided to launch a direct charge into the enemy and won simply through numbers, not to mention Papus was the one who carried out the plan while you simply came up with the general logic (and that word is very overestimating when the said general logic was just "charge!"). On the other hand, I properly balanced my forces into a formation and attacked the Illyrian city from multiple sides at once, causing chaos, and did so without even having a numerical advantage. You may be a thinker as you claim, but that thinking is only used to scheme in the senate floors, not on the battlefield. Rome is not a barbarian culture, but neither is Greece, and their great ruler Alexander is honored far and wide for his military expertise, so claiming that soldiers are barbarians is baseless and downright insulting to the greatest man that has ever walked the face of the earth.
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Consul Vote 2)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 ) Censor Vote 2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix) Praetor Vote 1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius) Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse) 1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse) 1) Gaius Marcus (Ghost) Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with? 1) Consul Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War? 3)Gaius Marcus (Ghost) [Ripam Alexandriae] Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets 2)6 Legions Force deployments 1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies) Numetorian Land Bill -redistribute land to the plebs 1)Aye Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero) 2) Guilty Ship Building (+3 talents per fleet constructed)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls) Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)
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The Powers That Be think that you are reckless and therefore haven't given you a good position in the senate. Hot-headed people such as yourself are borderline savages and thus untrustworthy to hold higher office. It seems like you are only a few steps away from invoking the rotten corpse of Alexander and sucking its genitalia with maggots and all.
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I leave into exile....  Broken at heart after seeing the republic killed by vultures and cancerous vermin who try to soar their bellies full with gold. The Tyrant and his cronies which i will not name should be ashamed of breaking the sacred covenant of republicanism and witch-hunting the only honest man in Rome.  At last i get to be a free man, and join the ranks of those who are not only despised but also envied by the gods.
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Hold up a minute, that turn was very quick... You jumped ahead when 4 of 16 haven't voted... I vote for consul 1 The rest idc
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You bribed people to vote for Phoenix xaxa How is that not corrupt?
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ZOMBIE
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 You scared of lil ol' me?
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Darth always whining about something. Tunder bought votes for several things, anyone can if they want to
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Obviously he can but it's still corruption
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Turn time for the senate phase is always at least 12 hours or if everyone has voted, that one was the same as the rest but ok your vote does change the result (Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Opiter Caelius (Safari) win). Even so, I know you guys view thread and don't post so there really isn't much excuse. Forum phase is whenever I work out balllot with consuls, combat phase has no set time its not that important except for generals
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Voting takes time and I prefer to be at home to do it on my laptop rather than my phone which would take forever flicking through pages and memorising my vote.. That's why I had viewed it without voting. 12 hours isn't very long either, I was asleep for 9 of those hours, so please remain accommodating for late votes.
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I invite everyone to the Gladiatorial Spectacle I pay for  18 for Gladiatorial Spectacle 1 for +1 on equite 1 to Rome
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3 on equite por favour. and 2 to Rome My recommendations for the consuls: Rushing Carthage this turn is risky, 2nd punic war is immune to commander bonuses meaning a disaster roll is incredibly likely and if that happens to us; if committing all resources and another war arises, we will lose. If I am equipped with all 6 veteran legions and 3 standard legions I can do battle with Macedonia and essentially guarantee a victory due to my immunity from disaster rolls (20 strength vs their 12), bringing us 25 sheckles. If the consuls choose to construct 6 legions there will be a remaining 13 to yet again do battle with the Gauls, If Mrarmy leads this battle as field consul he will roll +6, allowing a roll of 19 vs 10 This plan will bring Rome 45 sheckles for next turn and remove 2 active war payments of 20 a piece.... a highly profitable plan that will also reduce unrest, that would enable us to see off Carthage next turn with relative ease. I would like to emphasize that as Censor, Greed will not go unpunished.... Please give generously to the state if you have money to spare.
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